Subject: BLIND cc function or like in pine?

From: [email-masked] (Stacy Kuiper)
Date: 23 Mar 1995 02:50:16 GMT

Help, I need to send out a batch of stuff to a HUGE distribution 
list, but I don't want to send the To: column with 400 names to evryone 
on the list.  I can't find a'bcc' function, and dunno enough about unix 
to download the program 'eudora', which I hear deals well with this.

	Help?  Tell me how to deal with this?

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From: Roman Hryniszak <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 22:35:10 -0800 (PST)

Stacy,

Put an entry in the ./mail/aliases file and run newaliases per the 
directions in the aliases file.

Roman

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From: Vladimir Solnicky <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 09:54:51 +0100 (MET)

> to download the program 'eudora', which I hear deals well with this.

When composing message go to the area of headers; two help lines below 
will change a bit and you'll see a possibility `^R Reach Headers' (the same 
`^R' means read file in the area of the message text!) Press `Ctrl' ang `R' 
keys and you will see more header lines including `BCc:' line. Put an 
alias of your distribution list there.

Hope this helps.

V. S.

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From: [email-masked] (Ananda M. Kar)
Date: 22 Mar 1995 22:01:54 -0600

[ [email-masked] (Stacy Kuiper) wrote the following on "comp.mail.pine": ]

-> 	Help, I need to send out a batch of stuff to a HUGE distribution 
-> list, but I don't want to send the To: column with 400 names to evryone 
-> on the list.  I can't find a'bcc' function, and dunno enough about unix 
-> to download the program 'eudora', which I hear deals well with this.
-> 
-> 	Help?  Tell me how to deal with this?

   Once you're in the Compose screen. Goto the top by hitting "Ctrl-Y".
   twice. After you're in the "To: " prompt hit "Ctrl-R" {holding down
   the Control and R key simaltenously}. Another field will appear called
   "Bcc: " put the receipient's list there. Address the mail to yourself
   by placing your name on the "To: " list so nobody else will see the 
   list but get the mails. Say you're sending mail to a bunch of people
   who you've aliased as "list1". Here's what you should type:

     To: [email-masked]
     Cc: 
    Bcc: list1
   Subject: Foo

   Good Luck.

   Ananda

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From: Rahul Dhesi <[email-masked]>
Date: 23 Mar 1995 22:14:14 GMT

In <[email-masked]> Michael
Pollak <[email-masked]> writes:

>But the bcc: people are all visible to each other.

If a message that you send has no To: header, then if it is processed
by the 'sendmail' program at the receiving site, it will have an
Apparently-To: header inserted listing each recipient at that site.
So, for example, suppose 5 of your 400 recipient are at the same site.
Then these 5 will see each other listed in the Apparently-To:
headers.  Solution:  Make sure your message has at least one To:
recipient -- it could even be yourself.

In most other cases, bcc recipients will in fact be not visible.  Some
broken mail software at a receiving site may not correctly suppress bcc
recipients.  But in such cases, only the bcc recipients at that site
will see each other.  They won't see the entire bcc list.

HUMAN ERROR:  One common problem with bcc as usually implemented is
that the recipient does not always realize he is bcc'd, and may send
a reply to the message that reveals his bcc status.  This can be *very*
embarrassing.  For example:

- [email-masked] sends email to his boss [email-masked], discussing
  some very confidential company business.  Joe bcc's his wife
  [email-masked], since he trusts her, but he doesn't want his boss
  to know he has cc'd her.  Unfortunately bar.com happens to be a
  competitor of foo.com.

- [email-masked] doesn't realize she was bcc'd, thinks it was just
  a normal cc, doesn't realize the email contained highly confidential
  information, absent-mindedly sends a reply which automatically
  goes to both [email-masked] and [email-masked].

- Joe gets fired.

One solution is for bcc'd mail to be reformatted to have only a single
recipient and separately delivered to each bcc'd user.  Then replies
from the bcc'd people will never accidentally go to anybody except
the original sender.  I don't think pine tries to do this.
-- 
Rahul Dhesi <[email-masked]>
"please ignore Dhesi" -- Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 11:53:03 -0800

Actually, The Bcc: addresses should be invisible to everyone.  The problem
is that some mail transports (e.g. sendmail) will insert Apparently-To:
headers for the blind addresses.  This can usually be avoided by inserting
something in the To: header... 

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On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Michael Pollak wrote:

> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 23:00:18 -0500
> From: Michael Pollak <[email-masked]>
> Newgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: Re: BLIND cc function or like in pine?
> 
> 
> The good news is that bcc: is easy to find -- just press Ctrl-R for "rich 
> header."  (You have to be in the header when you press it; otherwise, 
> ctrl-r is the key for retrieving documents).
> 
> The bad news that bcc: probably doesn't do what you want it to. 
> Everything that's written on bcc: is invisible to the people on the To: 
> and Cc: lines.  That's a what a blind copy means, invisible to the normal
> addressees.  But the bcc: people are all visible to each other.  So if you
> put the 400 name list in the bcc:, they'll still each get a 400 name
> address list. 
> 
> I know, you want to know: what's the use of blind copies then?  It's 
> mainly for lawyers.  You address to the other party, you copy their 
> lawyer, and then you blind copy your co-lawyers, expert witnesses, etc.
> 
> Good luck with Eudora,
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Michael Pollak................New York [email-masked]
> 
> 
>

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From: Michael Pollak <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 23:00:18 -0500

Good luck with Eudora,

Michael

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From: Don Sugarman <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 25 Mar 1995 08:52:45 -0500 (EST)

On Wed, 22 Mar 1995, Michael Pollak wrote:

> <Snip> 
Michael,
I take it you are a lawyer.  <g>

In fact, bcc is used people in the business world, too.  In industry we
have project teams that need to be informed of correspondence with
customers or vendors.  At the same time, we don't want to send the
outsiders the list of team members, because we want to limit the number of
authorized points-of-contact or because the list would unnecessarily 
clutters up the letter, for example.

Regards,
Don Sugarman
[email-masked]