Subject: Suggestion for improvement on Pine

From: MARK A JANKOVITS <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:45:13 -0500 (EST)

I have a suggestion for improvement on the Pine program.  
Specifically, an improvement on the Usenet newsreader portion.  I 
noticed that whenever you subscribe to a new newsgroup you get posting 
from months and months back, sometimes there are hundreds on these 
unwanted postings.  The only way to delete these unwanted postings is 
to go through them linearly and delete them.  Here's my suggestion:  
how about a command that would delete all the posting currently held?  
Then, you could read the most current postings and then, with one 
stoke 
of a key, delete all the old postings you're not interested in.

The idea I'm suggesting is similar to the 'catch up' command in the 
newsreader 'rn'.

If you could please reply as to whether this is possible and what 
would be needed to inplement that change, it would be greatly appreciated.

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From: Mike Brudenell <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 14:35:28 +0000 (GMT)

Yes, it is indeed a very good idea.

...and you achieve it using Pine's wonderful Select and Apply commands.  
The former lets you select all or a subset of messages (email or news).  
The latter lets you apply a command to the selection (delete, save, 
print, etc).

Try these four keystrokes:

	; A		...to select all messages
	A D		...to apply a delete command to the selection

See?

Mike Brudenell
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From: Barry Cornelius <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 15:04:03 +0000 (GMT)

> 	A D		...to apply a delete command to the selection

Here Mike has used the ; and the A commands.  The ; and the A commands
(together with the Z command) form Pine's "aggregate command set".  The ;
command allows you to select all the messages that match some criteria;
the A command allows to apply some command to each of the selected
messages; and the Z command allows you to zoom in on the selected messages
by changing the folder index temporarily so that only these messages are
displayed.  

In order to use any of these commands, you need to have
enable-aggregate-command-set included in the setting of the feature-list
variable.  To do this, go to the Main Menu, press S followed by C.  You
should now be in the Config Screen.  Now move the cursor down to the line
containing: 
   [ ]  enable-aggregate-command-set
If there is no X between the [ and ], press X.  You should now have:
   [X]  enable-aggregate-command-set
Press E to leave the Config Screen.  

You should now be able to use the ; A and Z commands. 

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From: [email-masked] (Henry Kuo)
Date: 8 Dec 1994 18:48:28 GMT

Zaher Hammoud ([email-masked]) wrote:
: for those interested in a 8BIT capable Chinese Pine, check out

: ftp://g834315.HUNG.AB.nthu.edu.tw/pub/cpine3.91.readme.first

This is a wrong URL.... :(

Could you please double check it?  Thanks!!

Henry

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From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 09:36:24 -0800 (GMT)

> Could you please double check it?  Thanks!!

	I was able to get to it using the above information.  What
problem are you seeing?

					Ed

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From: [email-masked] (Nelson Chin)
Date: 8 Dec 1994 19:24:34 GMT

try IP address 140.114.202.26

Henry Kuo ([email-masked]) wrote:
: Zaher Hammoud ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : for those interested in a 8BIT capable Chinese Pine, check out
: : ftp://g834315.HUNG.AB.nthu.edu.tw/pub/cpine3.91.readme.first
: This is a wrong URL.... :(
: Could you please double check it?  Thanks!!
: Henry

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From: [email-masked] (Nelson Chin)
Date: 8 Dec 1994 22:53:55 GMT

or if unreachable, try
NCTUCCCA.edu.tw:/Operating-Systems/Linux/collect/binary/utils

nelson

Nelson Chin ([email-masked]) wrote:
: try IP address 140.114.202.26
: Henry Kuo ([email-masked]) wrote:
: : This is a wrong URL.... :(
: : Could you please double check it?  Thanks!!
: : Henry

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From: [email-masked] (Matthew Black)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 16:35:28

>would be needed to inplement that change, it would be greatly appreciated.
->Mark Jankovits                       "Once we get out of the eighties, the 
>Old Dominion University               look like the fifties."   Flashback

This feature already exists!  Here's how to perform this amazing feat:
   Go to the configuration screen (main menu M, setup S, config C)
   enable-aggregate-command-set should be checked (on)
   When you are in the news group, press ";" for aggregate command
   Then press "A" for all
   Then "A" to apply an aggregate command
   Then "D" to select delete-all-selected

Cheers !-)

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From: MARK A JANKOVITS <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 19:44:28 -0500 (EST)

I would like to thank those who showed that my suggestion was 
already available.  However, wouldn't it be a bit easier to have a 
single command at the bottom of the screen, rather than all those 
other keystrokes?  I'm looking for simplicity, something that the new 
user could figure out without asking around.

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From: SBPM Tech Mgt <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 14:59:11 -0500 (EST)

On my wishlist for pine is to change either the ^X or ^C command.  Having
them side by side makes it way too easy to mail something that one assumes
has been cancelled. Sure the prompt provides a check, but it would be more
efficient to have the Send and Cancel commands further apart. 

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From: [email-masked] (Trey Harris)
Date: 9 Dec 1994 23:14:52 GMT

In article <Pine.3.89.9412091408.A26784-0100000@gwis2>,
>efficient to have the Send and Cancel commands further apart. 

Hm?  Control-X is in the middle of the bottom row; Control-C is to the 
right of the top row of keys.  How much further apart can you get?

(Dvorakists of the world, unite!)
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From: MARK A JANKOVITS <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 12:29:58 -0500 (EST)

> right of the top row of keys.  How much further apart can you get?
What kind of keyboard are you using?  In all the keyboards I've ever 
seen/used the bottom row goes like this:

	zxcvbnm
	 ^^

X and C look mighty close there.

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From: [email-masked] (Barry Bouwsma)
Date: 11 Dec 1994 01:25:28 GMT

>seen/used the bottom row goes like this:

    That's funny, the kezboards, oops, keyboards I'll be pounding on in a
week have a bottom row that goes like this:

    YXCVBNM,.-
    ^        ^
    The moral being not to make default assumptions about what other users
will have.  Oh yes, and I was bitten by accidentally hitting ^C once or twice.

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From: [email-masked] (Trey Harris)
Date: 12 Dec 1994 07:38:51 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,

>X and C look mighty close there.

True, but on my keyboard, the Dvorak (Standard layout, not Microsoft's):
`1234567890]=   ~!@#$%^&*()[+
',.pyfgcrl/}\   "<>PYFGCRL?{|
aoeuidhtns-     AOEUIDHTNS_
;qjkxbmwvz      :QJKXBMWVZ
(unshifted)       (shifted)

The X and the C are comfortably far away.

I'm just trying to make a point about developers who write keybindings 
based on the layout of the QWERTY keyboard, rather than on mnemonics.  It 
makes things damn annoying for those of us who use nonstandard input 
methods.

Can you imagine what a person using a chorded keyboard must go through in
applications that eschew arrow keys in favor of "i,j,k,m"?  "Hm...to move 
up a line, press the third key and second keys simultaneously.  To move 
down, key 1, 3, and 4.  Right, 2, 3, and 4.  Left, 1 and 3."

That would be maddening!  Developers need to stop assuming everyone uses 
QWERTY.  In this age of carpal-tunnel strain, more and more of us are 
not.
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