Subject: Pine email (fwd)

From: "Stephen F. Day UNM HSCCS" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 09:32:45 -0600 (MDT)

The following was sent to me by one of our staff.  I am hoping someone 
out there has an answer to this.  We are just beginning to use VMS Pine 
(from Innosoft) at our site.  Since we are subscribed to your listserv, 
please direct your response to [email-masked].

I know the "<>" is another representation of "[]" for directory 
specifications; however, most of our users know only of the square 
brackets for this purpose.  Can we change this from "<>" to "[]"?

Finally, can a default path be used rather than the path that it 
originated from?

Thanks!

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Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 13:37:22 -0600 (MDT) 
From: HSCCS Help Desk Consultants <[email-masked]>
To: sday <[email-masked]>
Subject: Pine email 

I know this isn't high priority for you but...
I think that Pine will be useful for sending files (particulary binary 
files) through email.  I know at least one person per class asks for this 
capibility.  And [name omitted] would be most impressed if he could have 
this.

I've been working with it trying to send a binary file (which works just 
fine).  However, when you tell Pine to save it, it fills in the path and 
username of the _sender_ of the file.  For example, I sent a file from 
MCCSDESK to CDEAN.  As CDEAN, I view the attachment, and tell PINE to 
save that section as a file.  It fills in the following as the default 
filename:
<USER.MCCSDESK>filename.ext
I can edit the <> as well as the username to correct it, but there must 
be a better way.
I have looked at the pine.pinerc in both my Unix and VMS account and 
cannot see where the <> is coming from, nor where to specify a default 
save directory.  
I did change the Folder-Collections and Mail-directory, to no 
avail.
Any ideas?

Cyndi

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From: Portia Shao <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 1994 11:20:15 -0700 (PDT)

> (from Innosoft) at our site.  Since we are subscribed to your listserv, 

please, send this to us ([email-masked]) since you know you got Pine
from Innosoft, not to the good pine people at UW who are not responsible
for Pine on VMS. They may not mind, but I feel quilty everytime I see one
of these which should be addressed to me. 

> brackets for this purpose.  Can we change this from "<>" to "[]"?

not easily, because Pine assigned special meaning for [] before it ever 
ran on VMS. This may be possible, but it is certainly low on my list of 
things to do to Pine. Functionality is more important than cosmetics.

> Finally, can a default path be used rather than the path that it 

this is the default because when the sender sends the message with Pine, 
the file name becomes part of the description of this attachment, and it 
is a perfectly reasonable name to use as a default (what else could be 
reasonable?) filename. I would probably agree that the directory and disk 
names are not always useful, but that all is part of the filename, and I 
can think of many cases where the directory would be a reasonable default 
when saving the part also. So the user is given the choice to change it 
to whatever he wants.

> I can edit the <> as well as the username to correct it, but there must 

as for the difference between <> and [], Pine, being started on UNIX, 
uses [] for special meaning as a description when you attach a file, the 
fact that VMS uses [] as directory delimiter only makes it parse 
incorrectly. So I chose the alternate VMS directory spec <>.

> I did change the Folder-Collections and Mail-directory, to no 

maybe an additional option would be nice. yup, and since this is not a 
VMS-specific request, it would be proper to address this to pine-info.

> Cyndi

	/portia		[email-masked]
	Innosoft International Inc. (818)919-3600 voice, (818)919-3614 fax
	1050 East Garvey Ave South, West Covina, CA 91790

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:34:17 -0800

On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Portia Shao wrote:

> Date: Mon, 7 NOV 1994 18:20:15 GMT 
> From: Portia Shao <[email-masked]>
> Newgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: Re: Pine email (fwd) 
> 

This particular question was pretty specific to the VMS port, but in general
I don't mind seeing general VMS Pine questions on pine-info/comp.mail.pine. 
Where VMS Pine questions and bug reports should not be sent is to
[email-masked], though we will forward them along... 

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