Subject: Status of PEM/PGP integration into Pine

From: [email-masked] (Jeffrey C. Ollie)
Date: 22 Nov 1994 05:54:09 GMT

Howdy Netfolks:

  I was wondering what the status of the PEM/PGP integration into Pine was.
I'm not asking for a date (I've been around long enough to know that), but
I'd like to know if anyone is working on it right now, and what release it
is scheduled to appear in.
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Jeffrey C. Ollie
E-Mail: [email-masked]  <URL:http://odie.weeg.uiowa.edu/~jollie/>
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TIS/PEM Key: on request (preferred) PGP Key: finger [email-masked]

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From: Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:57:06 -0800 (PST)

Jeffrey,
   There has been no work done on PEM/PGP integration here at 
Washington.  It is not scheduled for any particular release yet.  
Others have posted diffs for their versions, but we haven't looked at 
them at all due to time constraints.  Sorry.

Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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From: [email-masked] (J. Kelly Cunningham)
Date: 27 Nov 94 11:02:34 CST

In article <[email-masked]>,
>  I was wondering what the status of the PEM/PGP integration into Pine was.

If you have root access, get Richard Gooch's PGPsendmail at
ftp.atnf.csiro.au:/pub/people/rgooch.  It's a drop in wrapper for sendmail
that makes PGP encryption completely transparent.  Some other tools come
with it that make decryption as transparent as it's likely to get.  You
wouldn't need root access if pine would allow the user to point pine to
something other than sendmail. 

If all else fails:
	finger [email-masked] | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu
for a c-shell script that runs between pine and pgp as an alternate editor.

(I think the hundreds of finger requests slutsky gets are a clear 
indication that it's time to integrate pgp into pine.)

-- kc    finger [email-masked] | pgp -fka +force
         finger [email-masked] | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu

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From: [email-masked] (Mickey Coggins)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:26:50 GMT

J. Kelly Cunningham ([email-masked]) wrote:
: In article <[email-masked]>,
: >  I was wondering what the status of the PEM/PGP integration into Pine was.

: If you have root access, get Richard Gooch's PGPsendmail at
: ftp.atnf.csiro.au:/pub/people/rgooch.  It's a drop in wrapper for sendmail
: that makes PGP encryption completely transparent.  Some other tools come
: with it that make decryption as transparent as it's likely to get.  You
: wouldn't need root access if pine would allow the user to point pine to
: something other than sendmail. 

: If all else fails:
: 	finger [email-masked] | pgp -f > mkpgp.txt.uu
: for a c-shell script that runs between pine and pgp as an alternate editor.

: (I think the hundreds of finger requests slutsky gets are a clear 
: indication that it's time to integrate pgp into pine.)

Isn't sendmail the more logical choice for integration of
PGP, since it would then work with all mailers?
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From: [email-masked] (Trey Harris)
Date: 28 Nov 1994 20:16:38 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,

>indication that it's time to integrate pgp into pine.)

Hear, hear!

My users are clamoring for PGP and they simply do *not* want to learn 
some other alternate-editor interface.  They want, as one user said to 
me, "Pine to work like Pine", when I tried to give her a PGP script.

It was Zimmerman's idea that we learn to use public-key encryption for 
virtually *all* email.  A Pine with PGP integrated would facilitate this.

-- 
Trey Harris                              http://sunsite.unc.edu/harris
  System Administrator, Project Isis, Office of Information Technology
                       The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill

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From: [email-masked] (J. Kelly Cunningham)
Date: 29 Nov 94 07:22:26 CST

>PGP, since it would then work with all mailers?

PGPsendmail won't work with all mailers (yet).  In particular, it won't work 
with NeXT's Mail.app or NeXT's /usr/ucb/mail.  It seems to work fine 
with Pine on a NeXT however.  (NeXT seems to use undocumented args to 
sendmail...  Mail.app also presents other problems which are addressed by 
CryptorBundle.)

In any case, I don't think users should be required to depend on the
system administrator to install PGPsendmail (or support pgp for that
matter...  that's why I work on mkpgp, so users can take care of it
themselves...).  PGPsendmail can be installed by the user.  If users could
point Pine to it, the PGP issue would *go*away*.

I don't know how much effort would be involved in such a modification, 
but intuition tells me it would be far less than that required to actually 
integrate pgp into Pine.