Subject: Re: bcc: broken?

From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:45:56 +0000

On 9 Nov 1994, Daniel Jacobs 702.871.4461 wrote:

> Is this a definition of bcc: I was previously unaware of or am I missing 
> something? I sent something to a dozen people, and to avoid cluttering up 
> their screens, I bcc:ed everyone except one of them. However, every 
> single one of them got the full distribution list with the bcc: header. I 
> am using MMDF as my mail server, if that helps.
> 

We have had this too on some of our systems. The answer is that it all 
depends what MTA you use. Pine uses the sendmail -t option to tell 
(actually ask!) the MTA to strip the Bcc field. The MTA may or may not do 
this (as it is not strictly its business to do anything to the inside of 
a message). A discussion in comp.mail.headers suggests that the only 
proper specification is for the MUA (PINE in this instance) to strip out 
the Bcc field itself.

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University of Cambridge Computing Service
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From: [email-masked] (Matti Aarnio)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 07:34:00 GMT

>am using MMDF as my mail server, if that helps.

	The problem is on the mailer, though PINE could do the honours as
	well so that the MTA (MMDF in your case) would not need to see any
	"Bcc:" -headers.

	The address-list that is used to send the piece of email, and letter
	headers themselves need not match!

>Thanks for any input,
>
>Dan Jacobs
>-- 
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	/Matti Aarnio	<[email-masked]>

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From: [email-masked] (Daniel Jacobs 702.871.4461)
Date: 9 Nov 1994 18:43:34 -0800

Thanks for any input,

Dan Jacobs

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From: [email-masked] (Andy Powell)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:09:43 GMT

>am using MMDF as my mail server, if that helps.

The sendmail replacement that comes with MMDF update 43 (and presumably other
versions as well) does not support bcc: fields correctly.  It sounds like
you've got Pine set up to talk to that sendmail.  Two options:

1) Configure Pine to send mail via your MMDF SMTP listener.
2) I've got some code (for Pine 3.90 currently but I'll do it for 3.91 once
   I've managed to get hold of it) that interfaces Pine directly to the MMDF
   submit routines.  Come back to me via email if you want a copy.

Andy.
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From: [email-masked] (Philip Hazel)
Date: 22 Nov 1994 15:24:11 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Andy Powell) writes:
|> The sendmail replacement that comes with MMDF update 43 (and presumably other
|> versions as well) does not support bcc: fields correctly.  It sounds like
|> you've got Pine set up to talk to that sendmail.

For the record: sending mail from Pine directly into PP via its 
"sendmail replacement" also suffers from this.

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