Subject: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help!

From: Marko Hotti <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 15:27:30 +0200 (EET)

Hello!

In the Nordic countries it is very common to get 8-bit/ISO-8859-1
E-Mail. I already know that I cannot send 8-bit mail with Content-
Transfer-Encoding set to 8bit but I still would like be able to 
*read* 8-bit mail with Pine. Here is an example on the message
headers: (It is a clip from a message I've got today. Someone is
answering to my post in one of the local newsgroups)

X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thank you for any help!

-Marko-

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 13:26:03 -0700

As long as you have "character-set=ISO-8859-1" in the Setup/Config 
screen, Pine should display 8bit without any difficulty.

|\ |  |\/|  David L. Miller    [email-masked]  (206) 685-6240
|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
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On Wed, 12 Oct 1994, Marko Hotti wrote:

> Date: Wed, 12 OCT 1994 13:27:30 GMT 
> From: Marko Hotti <[email-masked]>
> Newgroups: comp.mail.pine
> Subject: Pine cuts 8th bit away... help! 
> 
> 
> Hello!
>

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From: [email-masked] (Henry Kuo)
Date: 13 Oct 1994 08:06:49 GMT

David L Miller ([email-masked]) wrote:

: As long as you have "character-set=ISO-8859-1" in the Setup/Config 
: screen, Pine should display 8bit without any difficulty.

Does that mean that if I have US-ASCII, I can't see 8bit characters?  I 
have the setting for US-ASCII, but I still can read and write!  Does 
anyone know why?  I am using Ultrix 4.3 with tcsh 6.02 shell and
stty -ipass 
stty pass8
in my .login

Henry

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From: Barry Bouwsma <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 22:47:10 +0100 (MET)

On Wed, 12 Oct 1994, Marko Hotti wrote:

> *read* 8-bit mail with Pine.

    I have never had any problem with Pine handling 8-bit news or mail
messages, provided that...
  1)  An 8-bit-clean path exists between the sender and the point I read
from.  Note that many mails sent with C-T-E=8BIT are handled by MTAs which
lose the 8th bit without your awareness.  Also, if I try to read news
from any NNTP server in the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the main gateway
to the outside world loses bit 8.  This has the result of rendering
relcom.* postings as rather difficult to read with a KOI8-R font, and
loses all C-T-E=8BIT characters in French, German, Danish, Norwegian...
  2)  An 8-bit-clean path exists between Pine and my display and I am using
the correct font.  There are a number of ways this can go wrong too, but
with proper terminal setup and stty settings, I am able to compose and
view 8-bit messages on this xterm started with xterm -font xtrek -e pine
(please ignore typos, I have no idea what I've typed)
Note that if you can correctly view C-T-E=QUOTED-PRINTABLE mail as 8-bit
data on your display, the problem is that some intermediate mailer is
losing your 8th bit, a problem which Q-P was designed to work around
until widespread adoption of 8BITMIME mailers.

Pine itself should pass 8-bit data to the path to your display unaltered,
regardless of whether you have defined an 8-bit charset.  It only matters
for composition of messages.

Barry Bouwsma, xtrek installer biking Europe
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