Subject: Annoying .pine-debug## files

From: [email-masked] (Rich Paul)
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 12:42:29 GMT

I've got a .pine-debug## file appearing in my home dir every time I run pine 
... can this be killed?

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From: [email-masked] (R. Stewart Ellis)
Date: 28 Aug 94 13:56:29 GMT

The hints file says you can recompile, which was also true of 3.89.  With
all the other things that can be set in the rc files, it would seem nearly
trivial to have this as a settable option.  If it already is and I missed
it, forgive me.

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From: [email-masked] (Phil Wood)
Date: 28 Aug 1994 09:16:27 -0500

>I've got a .pine-debug## file appearing in my home dir every time I run pine 

Try running pine with a '-d0' switch.

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From: Ed Greshko <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 00:56:45 +0800 (TPE)

> I've got a .pine-debug## file appearing in my home dir every time I run pine 

	You can start pine with "pine -d 0" or you can recompile without
the -DDEBUG option.  I believe you will have to take it out of the
individual makefile for the platform you are building

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 28 Aug 1994 10:41:26 -0700 (PDT)

You've got a chicken-and-egg problem there!  The .pine-debug-file needs to be
open when you read the config files so problems can be logged. Just set up
Pine as an alias to "pine -d0", then you can go back and turn the .pine-debug
files on when you need them. 

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From: [email-masked] (Brandon Gillespie)
Date: 29 Aug 94 11:25:06 MDT

> trivial to have this as a settable option.  If it already is and I missed

I'm sorry, but out of all the nice things the pine people have done, this seems
extremely ridiculous to release a binary to the world with debug options turned
ON.  If I wanted to compile it myself, I would, but the idea with getting a
pre-compiled binary which WORKS, not which is in debug mode.  I noticed they
hadn't even stripped the binaries they have available.  When was the last time
you saw a professional package released which had debug options on and wasn't
even stripped?

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From: "David N. Richards" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 16:26:14 -0400 (EDT)

On 29 Aug 1994, Brandon Gillespie wrote:

> Date: 29 Aug 94 11:25:06 MDT
> From: Brandon Gillespie <[email-masked]>
> To: [email-masked]
> Subject: Re: A plea to pine team (Re: Annoying .pine-debug## files)
> 
Can't you use strip to strip the binaries of this very professional 
and 'free' software package?
Dave

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From: "John N. Underwood" <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 1994 16:25:03 -0400 (EDT)

On 29 Aug 1994, Brandon Gillespie wrote:

> I'm sorry, but out of all the nice things the pine people have done, this 
> seems extremely ridiculous to release a binary to the world with debug 
> options turned ON.  If I wanted to compile it myself, I would, but the idea 
> with getting a pre-compiled binary which WORKS, not which is in debug mode.  
> I noticed they hadn't even stripped the binaries they have available.  

Well, let's see. You can use a command line argument to turn off the
debug mode (READ the HELP pages). And yes, you can VERY easily strip 
the binaries. Now, why would they release a program with the debug mode 
on? Hmmm. Let's think about this. Maybe because it helps the pine team
fix bugs? Yes that's it! That's one of the reasons Pine is so good---
lots of people help the pine team catch bugs and the .pine-debug files
help them to fix the problem. Amazing isn't it?

> When was the last time you saw a professional package released which had 
> debug options on and wasn't even stripped?

Almost all of the binaries I download haven't been stripped. And I just
WISH other programmers would release their products with debug mode turned
on (and with a nice way to turn it off on the command line). Bugs and bug
fixes would be found much more quickly. 

This "professional" package is free and the developers are obviously
committed to maintaining it (fixing bugs and listening to the users
comments and questions). Next time, please ask WHY something was done
rather than whining about it. 

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From: [email-masked] (David J. Hughes)
Date: 30 Aug 1994 08:37:15 +1000

On 29 Aug 1994, Brandon Gillespie wrote:

> When was the last time

Last time I saw unstripped binaries?  How about Ingres!  I "found" about
20 meg of disk on our student comp-sci machine by stripping Ingres.

To the pine team - keep up the good work.

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