Subject: Pine and disk quotas

From: <[email-masked]> (Stan Kerr)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 15:33:56 -0500

A few days ago I posted the note below to comp.mail.pine; when I heard of
the pine mailing list I decided to subscribe and try the question here as
well.

Many of our people now use pine, but are constrained by quotas on system
mailbox space. In one case I saw this week, a person with a lot of mail
was over quota and tried to use pine to delete a bunch of messages, so as
to get under quota. She did everything correctly to delete the messages,
and pine politely asked for confirmation when she exited. However, the
messages were not deleted. I tried it myself and it did the same thing.
Finally I resorted to good old Berkeley 'mail', which had no trouble at
all removing messages.

Our systems folks are overworked and not excited about poring over pine's
code to see how this problem might be addressed, so they're basically
ignoring it (as far as I can tell). If someone has solved it, and can pass
along the solution, we would be grateful.

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 1994 20:46:23 -0700 (PDT)

Actually, there is a bi-directional gateway between pine-info and 
comp.mail.pine, so you don't need to post both places...

Due to the way Pine is implemented and the structure of the Berkeley
(default) mailbox format, the act of reading a message for the first time
increases its size by a few bytes for status information.  It would be
possible for Pine/c-client to decrease the impact, but it would entail a
performance penalty that we do not feel is justified. 

Pine does support alternate formats, e.g. Tenex, that do not have those
problems, but unfortunately other tools like mail and elm do not support
them. 

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