Subject: Windows Version of Pine?

From: [email-masked] (Bruce T. Jorgens)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 11:30:57

I thought I saw a reference to a Windows version of Pine several months back.  
Does anyone know if one exists and where I could obtain a copy?

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:43:00 -0700 (PDT)

WinPine has not been released yet.  It will probably be part of the Pine 
3.90 release...

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 1994 08:57:11 -0700 (PDT)

Just to set expectations correctly (i.e. suitably *low* :)...

We hope to release with 3.90 an early version of "PC-Pine for Winsock".

  o It is *NOT* a full Windows GUI application.
  o It has the same character-oriented UI as the Unix and DOS versions,
    although, like the DOS version, you can use the mouse to select 
    or activate some things.
  o It does have a hint of Windows-ness, e.g. a resizable window, settable
    font, and some *very* limited clipboard support.
  o It does get out from under the 640K memory limit, so you can actually
    invoke an image viewer from within PC-Pine for Winsock.

To try to emphasize the difference, I've been referring to this as
"PC-Pine for Winsock" and reserving the name "WinPine" for a hypothetical,
maybe-it-will-happen-someday full GUI version.  Undoubtedly we will
look at adding some of the desired features incrementally in future 
releases, so the difference may become very blurred, nevertheless:

It's important that expectations be set correctly.  We've already had
negative feedback from a couple of people who expect(ed) a full GUI
version with a nice big SEND button, scrollable text regions, full Windows
cut/paste, etc.  As a matter of fact, the head of our Client Services
department is not sure we should even release "PCP4W" since he feels so
many people will be disappointed.  (We intend to make it available anyway,
but if you have an opinion on this issue, one way or the other, please let
me know... mail just to me, though; let's not burden the list.)

-teg

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From: [email-masked]
Date: 25 Jul 1994 16:42:49 GMT

In <[email-masked]>, [email-masked] (Terry Gray) writes:
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>me know... mail just to me, though; let's not burden the list.)

I'm putting this on the newsgroup instead, to make the extra point that:-
I would assume that the Winsock version will also work in a DOS window 
under OS/2 with IBM's TCPIP (with the winsock extra feature); given that, 
and also on the "half a loaf better than no bread" I would vote 
enthusiastically for whatever is available.

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From: Brent Blumenstein <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 13:42:37 -800 (PDT)

I too hope for compatibility with OS/2 and IBM's TCP/IP for OS/2, even if
it is only through a DOS window.

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