Subject: OSF/1 and Pine Sending to Bitnet

From: "John Jewell ([email-masked])" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 11:09:00 -0700 (PDT)

We have some difficulty at present sending from our Internet system to
bitnet addresses. The method is to address the message to a mailhost in
Berkeley that translates the Internet message to the bitnet system.  The
form that we use is: 

	@mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet

Our system administrator has not been able to find a way that format to 
be used from within pine on our system, which is a DEC Alpha running 
OSF/1.  We can use the regular OSF/1 mail program to send it without a 
problem.

We would appreciate any information about why pine and mail handle this 
address differently, and what solutions may be available.  We very much 
like pine and would like to be able to handle all our email messages 
through pine.

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John Jewell
California Research Bureau / California State Library
    Phone:  (916) 322-0262 / Fax:  (916) 322-0665 
    Internet:  [email-masked]
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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 11:46:14 -0700 (PDT)

John,

To be a valid source-routed address, you need to enclose the whole thing 
in "<>", i.e.

	<@mailhost.berkeley.edu:bitnet_address.bitnet>

You can also try the form

	[email-masked]

which I believe is the preferred form on the Internet.  

I hope that helps!

--DLM

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4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 12:01:49 -0700 (PDT)

Try

-teg

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From: "Brian P. Hampson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 15:35:05 -0700 (PDT)

Is there anyway one might be able to add "finger" capabilities to PINE?  
many of our users find it difficult to remember the name of someone on 
our system, and would like the ability to find out the address name 
without actually EXITING pine.  

This also brings to mind the question...is there a way that users can 
shell out of pine to run things on the command line (other than by using 
"suspend")

B.

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From: Paul Maclauchlan <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 21:46:58 -0400

> without actually EXITING pine.  

I think this need would be better satisfied with a global address book / 
directory service.  It is the most glaring missing feature of PINE.

> shell out of pine to run things on the command line (other than by using 

PINE is very good at keeping users away from the operating system, and 
adding shell escapes would be a mistake.

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From: "Brian P. Hampson" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 23:42:32 -0700 (PDT)

> directory service.  It is the most glaring missing feature of PINE.

This would be a definite plus...no doubt there.

> adding shell escapes would be a mistake.

If it were a "compilable" option maybe?  

B.

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From: Mike Roch <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 09:00:46 +0100 (BST)

> without actually EXITING pine.  

finger, (perhaps tucked away in the addressbook - f key "spare" at the 
moment,) would be very useful for us too. 

[BTW finger at our site (many Suns running YP) can take about a minute to
report given a surname - does this square with others' experience?]

Mike

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Mike Roch, Computer Services Centre,                          Tel: 0734 318430
The University, Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF                Fax: 0734 753094

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From: Andy Behrens <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 11:57:25 -0400 (EDT)

> without actually EXITING pine.  

I don't think this is a good idea.  "Finger" is only helpful if all
users are on one system (unless you expect users to remember host names
as well). At many sites, this is simply not the case.

I agree with Paul Maclauchlan -- PINE needs a global address book, it's
the biggest thing that is missing.

-- 
Andy Behrens
P.O. Box 116, South Strafford, Vt.                            (802) 765-4138
Burlington Coat Factory, Schoolhouse Lane, Etna, N.H. 03750   (603) 643-2800

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From: "Michael C. Newell" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 13:25:52 -0400 (EDT)

> the biggest thing that is missing.

Preferrably standards based?  X.500/LDAP (that's what NASA uses)?  PH?  
Whois++??  So many standards to choose from!!! :{)

Mike

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From: Kari Sutela <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 20:45:15 +0300

> report given a surname - does this square with others' experience?]

Yes.  Our site has about 5000 users in our yp passwd map and finger can 
be painfully slow.  IMHO, a good directory service sh

/KS

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From: John Stumbles <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 19:25:36 +0100 (BST)

> Whois++??  So many standards to choose from!!! :{)

Given that there are so many to choose from, and sites vary in which they 
support (look me up in X.500 and compare with my real address below!), 
perhaps a sensible approach would be to put a hook into pine to run an 
external program, which could then be finger, whois or whatever.

(OK so that wouldn't integrate seamlessly with Pine's address book, but 
it would give at least some functionality - and be quick and easy for the 
pine folks to get out the door!)

John Stumbles                                       [email-masked]
University of Reading                                              0734 318435
Whiteknights, Reading, RG6 2AF, UK
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From: John Lamp <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 08:37:25 +1000 (EST)

The other problem with finger is the increasing use of aliases (such as
postoffice.utas.edu.au). Hooks for, or client code embedded, to contact a
ph (CSO) server would be more useful.

Cheers
John

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