Subject: A basic FAQ about pc mail & unix picture viewers

From: [email-masked] (Lawrence Butler)
Date: 27 May 1994 07:19:56 -0700

I have a basic question. To use PC-Pine is it a requirement that your
computer be part of a LAN, or have a POP, Slipp account? Or can you
uses it with a plain old dialup user account (provided neccesary software
is installed) what would this software be?  If it requires hardware, what
realitively inexpensive hardware device would you use?

Second faq: To really be able to use MIME at its fullest you need to be
on an X terminal correct? IOW, to view pictures that are mailed to you
you would need 1. X-terminal 2.viewing software  

Third faq: To save or download a MIME attactment do you just press e to
export the file and then uudecode the file?

Thanks for your help!

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From: [email-masked] (Rob Hahn)
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 16:02:49 GMT

I'm interested in setting up a mailing list -- or perhaps a listserv might
be a better term for it, since I'd like all the messages to the list to be
bounced to everyone on the list automatically.  Almost everyone I've spoken
to says they use elm for this.

Can pine be used efficiently for this kind of a mailing list?  If so, how?
I didn't notice anything like a "bounce" command.

Thanks!

-rsh

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 13:51:55 -0700 (PDT)

You need Ethernet, SLIP, or PPP and an IMAP server.  A POP server is not 
required.

PC-Pine can invoke image viewers, but some viewers do not cooperate well with
PC-Pine.  The Windows version of Pine should ease this restriction somewhat. 

MIME does not use uuencode.  Pine will handle all of the necessary 
decoding when you View/Save the attachment.

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 27 May 1994 14:01:11 -0700 (PDT)

The Elm users are probably using "filter" to manage the lists.  This program
works equally well with Pine.

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From: [email-masked] (Ken Brown)
Date: Sat, 28 May 1994 22:22:14 GMT

In article <[email-masked]>,
David L Miller  <[email-masked]> wrote:

[snip...]

>PC-Pine.  The Windows version of Pine should ease this restriction somewhat. 

Is there an expected release date for the Windows version?  This would add
very nicely to the client selection for our Windows users.  So far, in my
look at IMAP clients for various platforms, pine appears the most stable and
consistent.  Hummm...a Macintosh version?

Thanks again to the Pine Team.

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Trent University Computing & Telecommunications  tel: (705)748-1540
Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8           fax: (705)748-1635

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From: [email-masked] (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi))
Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 05:17:40 GMT

David L Miller ([email-masked]) wrote:

: The Elm users are probably using "filter" to manage the lists.  This program
: works equally well with Pine. 

What if your machine don't have Elm or any of its component at all? Is there anyother way?

--Alex

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From: [email-masked] (Sridhar Venkataraman)
Date: Sun, 29 May 1994 13:25:36 GMT

[email-masked] (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi)) writes:
| David L Miller ([email-masked]) wrote:
| 
| : The Elm users are probably using "filter" to manage the lists.  This program
| : works equally well with Pine. 
| 
| What if your machine don't have Elm or any of its component at all? Is there 
| anyother way?

I don't know how to say this at the risk of considered as a flamer but...

People are confusing the job Pine should be doing.  It should be at best an
MUA and _not_ a filter for incoming mail or a list manager.  Efficient
programs like procmail or deliver are available as separate packages
for filtering incoming mail.  Likewise, there are mailing list managers
like Smartlist (previously packaged with procmail), listproc etc.
Ofcourse, you need root access for installing some packages, but then
you need to tell your root that you are running a mailing list anyway
(for courtesy sake).

IMO, Pine will be more beneficial if development proceeds towards features 
like saving (tagging) of messages, extra header support, full MIME support etc.

Sridhar.

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From: [email-masked] (Michael J. O'Neill)
Date: 29 May 1994 17:21:05 GMT

Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi) ([email-masked]) wrote:
: David L Miller ([email-masked]) wrote:

: : The Elm users are probably using "filter" to manage the lists.  This program
: : works equally well with Pine. 

: What if your machine don't have Elm or any of its component at all? Is there anyother way?

: --Alex 

Pine 3.89's .pinerc allows you to filter incoming mail to folders other 
than INBOX.

Mike
[email-masked]

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From: [email-masked] (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi))
Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 18:22:19 GMT

Michael J. O'Neill ([email-masked]) wrote:

: Pine 3.89's .pinerc allows you to filter incoming mail to folders other 
: than INBOX. 

Can you tell us what specific lines you have to add? I don't quite understand 
what are you trying to say here...

--Alex

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From: [email-masked] (Melanie A. Swain)
Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 15:45:57 GMT

In article <[email-masked]> [email-masked] (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi)) writes:

   Newsgroups: comp.mail.pine
   From: [email-masked] (Kurama (Minamino Shiuichi))
   Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA
   Date: Mon, 30 May 1994 18:22:19 GMT

   --Alex  

Hi,
   Filtering mail in pine is a two step process.  First you have to
use a filter program such as elm filter or procmail (both of these
filtering programs can be used with any mailer).  In the case of the
elm filter program, you have to create .elm directory with a
filter-rules file.  You also have to create a .forward file in your
home directory. Then, once you have that, then you only need edit the
incoming-folders variable in your .pinerc file.  I.e., if you filtered
all incoming mail from Bob Smith to your ~/mail/Bob_stuff folder, you
would edit the incoming-folders line to read:

incoming-folders=~/mail/Bob_stuff

  If you have more than one incoming folder (I.e., AnotherFolder and
LastFolder), you would edit the line to read:

incoming-folders=~/mail/Bob_stuff,
	~/mail/AnotherFolder,
        ~/mail/LastFolder

For more information, type: man filter  
                                            -Melanie
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