Subject: Pine over Dialup Lines

From: "Thomas E. Rutledge, III" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 17:10:08 -0400 (EDT)

In the Main Menu Help, section 6 (of the Table of contents) mentions that
 
	"Pine can usually recognize when it is being used over a low speed
	dialup line via a modem.  In this case it will show the current
	message in the index with a '->' instead of showing it all in
	reverse video." 

This does not seem to work here, and our best guess at this time is that 
we dial into (Xyplex) terminal servers, and the terminal server then 
connects to the unix machine via ethernet (which is NOT low speed).

Does anyone have anything to add to this, or is our guess the correct one?

Thanks, 
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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 14:49:20 -0700 (PDT)

Thomas,

I believe your guess is the correct one.  You should be able to execute "stty
1200" or some such before entering Pine to get the low-speed mode.  The next
release of Pine will also include an option to force Pine into low-speed
mode. 

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

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From: "Richard C. Gaine" <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 10:17:06 -0400 (EDT)

Is there a command line option for pine that will forse the arrow rather
then the reverse video??

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 09:34:20 -0700 (PDT)

Richard,

Not yet, but the next release will have one.

Thanks for the request!

--DLM

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 1994 20:30:04 +0000

> Does anyone have anything to add to this, or is our guess the correct one?

I've noticed similar with modems - the interface to the modem is probably 
running at a fixed high baud rate, even if the data rate is low.

Another way to set the '->' mode, or an option to set it as default may 
be a good thing.

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From: Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 01:25:16 -0700 (PDT)

You can probably fix this with the command "stty 1200" to tell the unix 
system you are at a low speed.  Since it communicates using TCP/IP (or 
whatever) it doesn't know the speed automatically.

There will be an option to force low speed behavior in the next version.

Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Networks and Distributed Computing, Univ. of Washington, Seattle

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From: <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 1994 22:27:40 +0000

> whatever) it doesn't know the speed automatically.

Well, no. If one is dialing in on a modem which is locked to a high rate 
on the host computer interface end, the host *cannot* tell what speed the 
modems are running at, and "stty 1200" will block all communication.

So the coming option will be welcome.

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From: Steve Hubert <[email-masked]>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 1994 22:37:36 -0700 (PDT)

Right, but I think that a majority of dialin users nowdays come in 
through a terminal server which is then connected to the host through 
something like telnet or rlogin.  In that case, there is no "speed" of 
the telnet connection, so you can set it to whatever you want.  If your 
modem is hardwired to the host computer, you're stuck for now.  (And, of 
course, the option should be more convenient than typing stty commands, too.)

Steve