Subject: c-client windows library

From: Ross Wakelin <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 09:46:08 +0000 (GMT)

Hi all,

Has anyone, or is anyone, worked (working) on a c-client.dll over winsock 
for MS windows (or workgroups).

If not it seems as if I will start spending a month of sundays taking the 
dos pc-pine ports and trying to shoehorn them into a dll.

Thanks

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From: Henry Kuo <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 09:17:44 -0800 (PST)

Hi everyone:

I got one problem.  If the system is IBM ES9000/ Model 480 running AIX 
2.2, what kind of unix-binaries I should use or what I should do to run 
pine on this system?

Thanks for any suggestion!

=Henry=

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 09:53:12 -0800 (PST)

Henry,

We do not supply pre-compiled binaries for AIX, except on the RS/6000. 
You should get the source distribution (mail/pine.tar.Z on
ftp.cac.washington.edu) and build the "aix" version.  Note that we no
longer actively support this port, so we cannot guarantee it's quality. 

I hope that helps!

--DLM

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 10:43:56 -0800 (PST)

Ross,
We had actually hoped that all the *shoehorning* was done to create the
*DOS* port, and moving to a DLL would be *easy* by comparison :)

Seriously, porting not just c-client, but all of Pine, to a
Winsock/Windows* environment is a very important project to us, but we
haven't had any resources to commit just yet.  That could change soon, 
however.  If you think it makes any sense to try to collaborate, let's 
discuss by separate email.

-teg

* Initially we intend to port the existing character-based Pine to Windows
without changing the interface to a GUI.  After that, we'll look at whether
it makes sense to embark on a "WinPine" GUI version...

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 11:03:39 -0800 (PST)

I should have been a bit more clear about the status of the AIX ports.  

We *do* actively support Pine running under AIX 3.2 on the IBM RS/6000
platform.  This is the "a32" port of pine and corresponds to the
pine-bin.aix32 and pico-bin.aix32 pre-compiled binaries in the
mail/UNIX-BINARIES directory on ftp.cac.washington.edu. 

We no longer have access to AIX on our IBM 9000 and thus cannot provide
direct support for that platform.  This is the "aix" port of pine.  We
will continue to distribute the "aix" port and incorporate patches from
outside contributors on a best-effort basis. 

I am sorry about any confusion/panic this might have caused!

--DLM

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From: [email-masked] (Jay Schuster)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 14:42:36 EST

> longer actively support this port, so we cannot guarantee it's quality.

Well, I just recently downloaded it, and its quality seems to be excellent.

I saw Pine in action at the University of Vermont, where they just put
everyone on the net.  Helping a friend use it who only had Macintosh
experience convinced me that this was an excellent mail system, one
I could teach without ever having seen it before, and one he could use
knowing very little.

I'd like to give our users here the option to use Pine.

Now for *my* questions.

I'm new to this list, so if there's an FAQ that answers these questions,
just refer me to it.  We use mostly Elm here, and are looking into Pine
because it's seems easier to learn to use, and because the header editor
is incorporated into the message editor.  But I have Elm prejudices:

     1. When my .signature is included, how do I get the standard `-- '
	placed above it (or do I have to place this in my .signature file?

     2. I'd like included text (from replies, or for forwards) to be
	prefixed with a fixed string (like `> ').  Can I do this in pine,
	I've read the FM, and I don't see a configuration option for it.

     3. In .pinerc, when inbox-path is left empty, pine doesn't look at
	the MAIL environment variable for the mailbox; it always assumes
	it is in /usr/spool/mail (or /usr/mail, presumably).  I can
	easily override this with `inbox-path=$MAIL', so it's not a big
	deal, it just surprised me.

     4. The remarks about being able to get around being prompted for
	username and password each time you connect to an imapd imply
	that it can be made to use the rsh authentication.  It's not
	too clear on how to set this up (just make a link to rimapd,
	but don't I need to put rimapd in /etc/inetd.conf instead of
	imapd?).  In any case, it doesn't seem to work here.  At first
	I thought it was maybe because I don't have a .rhosts (we use
	hosts.equiv), but creating one didn't help.

     5. As a note to concurrent Elm users -- Pine rewrites your mailbox,
	adding X-Status: headers to old messages.  If you are in Elm and
	Pine simultaneously, Elm will think the mailbox is corrupt the next
	time it looks at it after Pine changes it.  I understand why Pine
	does this, and Elm (2.3PL11) wasn't written to allow concurrent
	mailbox changes.
    
     6. In Pico, is there any key sequence that will get me to the beginning
	or end of the document?  Or a way to prefix numbers to commands
	so I don't have to hit ^V a dozen times?  Am I being too picky?

Pico is a *great* editor for first time users.  The built-in help, auto
word-wrap (with a way to disable it!) makes it easy for novices to change
UNIXy things.

-- 
Jay Schuster <[email-masked]>	uunet!uvm-gen!banzai!jay, attmail!banzai!jay
The People's Computer Company	`Revolutionary Programming'

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 12:55:11 -0800 (PST)

See my comments below.

> Well, I just recently downloaded it, and its quality seems to be excellent.
Glad to hear it!

> 	placed above it (or do I have to place this in my .signature file?
You have to include it in the .signature file.

> 	I've read the FM, and I don't see a configuration option for it.
Replies get '> ', forwards do not.  This is not currently configurable, 
but is on the list for consideration in the spring release.

> 	deal, it just surprised me.
Correct.  The default location is set in the OS-dependent includes to be 
the "usual location" for a particular OS.  This can be overridden per 
system in the /usr/local/lib/pine.conf file.  The objective is to reduce 
surprise for novice users who probably do not know about the MAIL 
variable.
 
> 	hosts.equiv), but creating one didn't help.
If you make an rsh connection, you are not going through inetd and 
therefore do not need an entry in inetd.conf for rimapd.  To test rimapd, 
just execute "rsh host /etc/rimapd".  You should get something like

* PREAUTH shivafs.cac.washington.edu IMAP2bis Service 7.6(74) at Fri, 14 Jan 1994 12:49:28 -0800 (PST)

To exit rimapd, use "* logout"

> 	so I don't have to hit ^V a dozen times?  Am I being too picky?
Not yet.

> word-wrap (with a way to disable it!) makes it easy for novices to change
Thank you!

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From: Henry Kuo <[email-masked]>
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 09:37:45 -0800 (PST)

> outside contributors on a best-effort basis. 

Therefore, if I have pine-bin.aix32, where and how can I get the 
incorporate patches of IBM ES9000 Model 480 running AIX 2.2?

Thanks!!

=Henry=