Subject: pine-info archived anywhere?

From: Nancy McGough <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 18:54:11 PST

Are the messages that come across the pine-info alias
archived somewhere?  Do any sites feed them into a local
newsgroup - is that hard to set up?

Thanks,
Nancy

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From: Dan Mandell <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 22:54:36 -0500 (EST)

Feel free to flame me if this post is too far off the focus of this group.

Pine is ideally suited for most of our clients purposes.  I even find many
have adjusted to the new print command and like the speed of pressing
"y-y" to print. but we have many users who dial into their mail server and
we have not found a simple way to upload text files into pine.  We have
tried a public domain version of kermit, but have found many pc
communication programs like (shareware) procomm do a defective
kermit emulation...and kermit is somewhat user unfriendly.  

We've tried other upload transfer programs (eg. zmodem) with similar
difficulties.  I'd be interested to know if there is a simpler way for
folks to upload ascii files into a pine message. Could a way to do this 
be added directly to pine? Probably too messy! All suggestions welcome!

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Dan Mandell, Computer Services, Saint Mary's College      
Internet: [email-masked]

"Always promise a little less than you can deliver" : Montaigne

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From: Matt Simmons <[email-masked]>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 23:01:42 -0600 (CST)

> be added directly to pine? Probably too messy! All suggestions welcome!
Many pc communication programs like (shareware) procomm do a very good 
ASCII upload...  If the users have error-correcting modems, then ASCII 
uploading will work

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From: Joel Ness <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 93 08:50:31 -0600

Although I suspect it might not help out in a DOS-based communication program
I've found that for Mac and Windows based programs (Telnet, Windows Kermit,
etc.) the slickest way of people transfering text files is just to copy it in
their original word processing program and then paste it into the Pico editor.
There also might be problems with this with very long files, or slow modem
connections, but I find it works quite well for many people.

Going the other way (copying out of Pine to local word processor) is actually
now more difficult than it was when we used elm due to Pine's tightly integrated
screen control. The comm programs I've used don't "capture" any of the message
that's been scrolled through. I miss this, but not enough to keep using elm
(although I will switch to elm occasionally for just this feature). 

>   Pine is ideally suited for most of our clients purposes.
>   I even find many have adjusted to the new print command
>   and like the speed of pressing
>   "y-y" to print. but we have many users who dial into
>   their mail server and we have not found a simple way to
>   upload text files into pine.  We have tried a public
>   domain version of kermit, but have found many pc
>   communication programs like (shareware) procomm do a
>   defective kermit emulation...and kermit is somewhat user
>   unfriendly.  
>   
>   We've tried other upload transfer programs (eg. zmodem)
>   with similar difficulties.  I'd be interested to know if
>   there is a simpler way for folks to upload ascii files
>   into a pine message. Could a way to do this  be added
>   directly to pine? Probably too messy! All suggestions
>   welcome!

_________________________
Joel Ness
UMD Information Services
[email-masked]
(218) 726-8841

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From: Ron Pool <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 10:36:24 -0500 (EST)

> kermit emulation...and kermit is somewhat user unfriendly.  

We've got local changes to pine to support retrieves and exports (uploads
and downloads) of message text and attachements in pine.  We're still at
3.07 but I'll be moving these changes to 3.89 someday soon.  I could
contribute the code, but it may not be what people want.  It relies on an
external script (a perl script right now) to do start the actual file
transfers.  It's pretty easy to support any transfer protocol you wish (we
support ftp, zmodem and kermit).  Files are transfered to/from /tmp and
pine gets/puts them to /tmp after/before the file transfer.

If U Washington is interested in the code for this then I'll probably
move it to 3.89 more quickly.  It's really pretty easy to do this and is very
useful for people who have access to pine but don't have shell access. 
We've got about 800 users making use of this feature in our locally hacked
pine and they've been doing so for a bit over a year with no major troubles.
--
Ron Pool; Electronic Technology Group; B-15 Wing Hall; Ithaca, NY 14853
Internet: [email-masked]

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 09:07:42 -0800 (PST)

Ron,

We would definitely like to see what you have done here.  I cannot 
guarantee that your changes will become "official" but this is a 
capability that gets requested every once in a while.

--DLM

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|/ |_ |  |  Software Engineer, Pine Development Team   (206) 685-4045 (FAX)
University of Washington, Networks & Distributed Computing
4545 15th Ave NE, Seattle WA 98105, USA

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From: Ron Pool <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 13:48:11 -0500 (EST)

> > pine gets/puts them to /tmp after/before the file transfer.

OK, I'll look at moving our local changes to 3.89 today.  I'll send the
diffs to U Washington when I'm satisfied they're OK -- they're pretty
minimal so this shouldn't tak long unless the code for 3.89 has changed a
lot from 3.07.  Don't expect the changes today or this week, I'm just 
going to install 3.89 (3.07 in production, 3.88 in test here now) and look
at the 3.89 code in the areas I changed the 3.07 code before.
--
Ron Pool; Electronic Technology Group; B-15 Wing Hall; Ithaca, NY 14853
Internet: [email-masked]

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From: David L Miller <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1993 14:41:21 -0800 (PST)

Nancy,

We do keep an archive of pine-info, but it is not currently available to 
the public.  If there is enough demand, we may look into setting up 
something in the future.

--DLM

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From: Barry Landy <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 1993 09:48:28 GMT

We would definitely be interested in this. 
We run PINE in a restricted shell for undergrads (restricted so that the 
system retains some capacity to do the email for which it is intended:-)) 
and have a need for upload and download; a solution that does not require 
installing a further package that might provide a shell opener would be 
very helpful. 

> > pine and they've been doing so for a bit over a year with no major troubles.

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