Subject: Another Pine Dream

From: "Robert A. Hayden" <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 23:17:14 -0600 (CST)

Alright, I posted some pico dreams yesterday, and nobody has yet replied, 
but here is a pine dream I have.

MULTIPLE IN BASKETS
	As I'm sure many others do, I use the filter program to sort through
	all of the mail I get (I get far too much for any rational human 
	being, I think).  The problem is, Pine only keeps tabs on the 
	mail in INBOX, never letting you know if something comes in and
	is shunted to another folder.

	If there was a way to define a list of folders to keep tabs on 
	and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder, 
	that would be most nice.

	As for checking on starting up pine, perhaps present a menu with 
	a listing of all the folders with new mail, and then you choose
	where to go, with the default being INBOX, of cours.

Just a thought.

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From: Mike Grupenhoff <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 00:55:03 +0000

> MULTIPLE IN BASKETS
[...]
> 	and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder, 

I may be mistaken, but I believe the incoming-folders option in pine 3.85 
and greater does what you want.

>From my .pinerc:

# incoming-folders are those other than INBOX that receive new messages.
# Folder syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}folder-path
# Use only if you filter incoming email into multiple files or receive
# email on several different machines.

incoming-folders=

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1993 22:32:34 -0800 (PST)

Mike,
The "incoming message folders" mechanism represents the *beginning* of what 
Robert wants, but we still have more to do.

The plan is to extend the "magic" TAB command to move you from INBOX to the 
other Incoming msg folders you have defined.  Initially, it will do this 
blindly, without knowing if there is any new mail in that folder or not.

Once the IMAP2bis spec is nailed down, we hope we will have the needed 
mechanism for determining efficiently whether or not a folder has unread 
mail.  Then TAB will either skip the folders lacking unread messages, or 
at least indicate whether there is unread mail pending.

The question of keeping all incoming folders open and monitoring for new 
mail is tough for a couple of reasons, including efficiency/performance, 
and user-interface complexity.  (How do you indicate *which* folder has 
received new mail, without overloading the message line?)

Anyway, we'll start with the TAB-initiated jump to other incoming 
folders, and see how that goes.  (Tab will also be used for moving 
through newsgroups, beginning with 3.88.  This will happen when you hit 
Tab and there are no other unread messages in the current folder.)

-teg

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From: Rick Troxel <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 08:57:48 -0500 (EST)

> 	and then inform you when mail arrives in that specific folder, 

If you are using a *nix host, there is a shell based solution that
might meet your needs.  In csh or tcsh one would just 'set mail'
appropriately.  Here is an excerpt from our local csh man page:

     mail	    The files where the shell checks for mail.
		    This is done after each command completion
		    that results in a prompt, if a specified
		    interval has elapsed.  The shell says You
		    have new mail, if the file exists with an
		    access time not greater than its modify time.

		    ...

		    If multiple mail files are specified, then
		    the shell says New mail in _name_ when there is
		    mail in the file _name_.

In sh or ksh, setting the MAILPATH variable should have the same
effect.

Rick Troxel                 [email-masked]                 301/496-4823
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