Subject: BBs's and Pine/IMAP

From: Chris Maukonen <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 93 12:27:36 -0500

Hello,

I have been trying to get the bbs feature of IMAP and pine to work on
a Sun system here as per the instructions in the IMAPD readme file. 
I have the imapsavebb and bbs mail file set up in the correct directories
an I can send mail to it just fine. However I do not know how to get an
IMAP client to be able to read from this mbox. I can get pine to read from it
locally by putting a link to the bbs mail file in the users mail directory.

Also is the another news group just for imap ???

Thanks

Chris

Chris Maukonen
Sr. Systems Programmer
Univ. of Central Fla.
[email-masked]

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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 10:18:05 -0800 (PST)

There is another mailing list for IMAP discussions.  That list is
[email-masked].  If you would like to be added to the list, the
address to send requests is [email-masked].

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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 09:42:16 -0800 (PST)

Chris -

     It seems that you are not using the imapd supplied with Pine but are
instead using the old imapd from Stanford.  The imapsavebb program is an
artifact of that old imapd, which was completely rewritten and is no longer
receiving active support or maintenance.

     In that old imapd, a shared mailbox or ``bboard'' was opened as an
explicit filename.  So, you would have to open something like:
	/usr/spool/bboards/party-list

     In the current imapd, which is distributed with Pine and also in the IMAP
toolkit (on ftp.cac.washington.edu in mail/imap.tar.Z), it is possible to have
shared read-only mailboxes in this way with some hacking and setup.  However,
the preferred way is to use USENET newsgroups which the current imapd
supports.

     Access to newsgroups in the current imapd is via the IMAP2 BBOARD command
which is described in RFC-1176.

     In Pine 3.05, you can access a USENET newsgroup on the local system by
prefixing the newsgroup name with an asterisk and doing a normal Pine folder
open, e.g. *comp.mail.mime will open the comp.mail.mime newsgroup.  You can
also open a newsgroup via IMAP with the syntax *{host}newsgroup, e.g.
something like *{aquarius.cc.ucf.edu}comp.mail.mime .  This requires that you
either have an account on the IMAP server machine (since your .newsrc is
located there) or that the server host enables ``anonymous'' netnews access
(in which case no .newsrc is kept).

     Note that the asterisk in front of a newsgroup name is an artifact of the
c-client which is the kernel of both the current imapd and Pine; it is not
specific to any protocol.  Thus, {aquarius.cc.ucf.edu}*comp.mail.mime will
also work, but that presupposes that the IMAP server is c-client based.
Putting the asterisk in front of the {host} causes c-client to do the
implementation-independent action.

     In the soon to be released new version of Pine, there is much more
sophisticated support for newsgroups, including subscribe and unsubscribe
features and a less cryptic means of opening newsgroups.  Also, NNTP is
supported in addition to IMAP, for people who want their .newsrc files on the
client instead of on the server.

-- Mark --

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From: Chris Maukonen <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1993 13:36:24 -0500 (EST)

Thanks for the information, Mark. I was using the imapd from sumex. I will be
looking forward to the news additions to pine also.

One other thing. The client I am currently using on Mac's is Mailststrom. I like it
a lot, but it still seems to be deficient in a number of areas. Specifically in it's
addressbook and the choice of mailboxes. I sent a message to the auther a little
over a week ago asking about this, but have yet to ge a reply. Do you know if any
additional work is being don on it, or it there is another client for the Mac ?
We do have a number of them here and I would like to have a nice imap client for
them. Maybe an imap version of Eudora or something .

Thanks 

Chris

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From: Mark Crispin <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 11:05:57 -0800 (PST)

Hi Chris -

     You should give serious consideration to moving over from the sumex imapd
to the one which is bundled with Pine.  Besides netnews support, you will also
get all the IMAP2bis extensions, c-client based implementation, and running
under inetd (instead of being a daemon that does its own network I/O).

     There is a group that is working on Mailstrom, but I haven't heard from
them in quite a while.  I too am looking forward to seeing a greatly improved
Mailstrom.

-- Mark --

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1993 11:25:15 -0800 (PST)

Chris,
Re: mailstrom status.  I believe Univ. of North Carolina has an active
project to add MIME support to Mailstrom.  I don't have any completion
estimates, however, nor any idea what else they may be adding.

In any case, I think it would be very useful to let the Qualcomm folks
know that you'd like to see an IMAP version of Eudora...  (they are
already committed to MIME.)

(Attention PC users: The same is true for Pegasus, NuPOP, etc.  Even
though we are enthusiastic about the prospects for PC-Pine, it should be
only *one* of the choices available to folks.  Getting more mail
developers interested in IMAP would be good for everyone, but it will take
some time and effort to help both developers and system managers understand
the advantages.)

-teg