Subject: Global Address books

From: [email-masked] (Mike Scheuerman)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1993 12:23:57 -0800 (PST)

We are just installing Pine and most of our users are novices and so
are having a problem with building and maintaining their address books.
Has anyone come up with a solution that allows someone to access a
global address book as well as a personal addressbook?

Part of the problem we have here is that we have people scattered
geographically around the country and as they come online, they're 
not aware of the other users that are on the system already.  We've
discussed putting together a shell script that would run around and
fix up everybody's addressbook as we put new people on the system, but
that seems like a pain.  The other idea is to send a message to everyon
telling them that a new set of users has been added, but then some won't
update their address book and we'll be right back where we started from.
Over time the problem will get worse as people come and go.

The documentation that I've read on Pine says that it doesn't support
a global address book, but there's got to be a way to keep people up
to date on who they can mail to.  

Any suggestions?

Mike Scheuerman

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From: Ian Lumb <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 00:41:45 -0500

This is a terrific idea Mike, that I'd also like to see added/kludged into
pine. 

Ian.

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From: Bill Feidt <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 12:28:53 -0500 (EST)

I believe that option 1 would be of significant value to our
organization.  If tying it to option 2 keeps it lower on the
"TuIt" list, then I'd vote for divide and conquer.

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On Wed, 10 Feb 1993, Terry Gray wrote:

> Ian and Mike,
> Some form of shared address book is definitely on the enhancement list...
> We just need someone to give us one of those "Round TuIt" things :)
> 
> One question is whether this should be a simple extension to the personal
> address book (but searched *after* the personal one, or whether it should
> be an interface to whois/x.500/etc, or are both mechanisms desirable?  I
> suspect the answer is "both", but comments are welcome.  (Obviously the
> former is easier than the latter and would therefore be likely to appear
> sooner!)

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From: Ian Lumb <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 12:34:21 -0500

Thanks for your response Terry. I'm pleased to hear that this is indeed a
consideration for a future upgrade of pine. 

It is indeed desireable to have a global address book, that is simply an
extension of the personal address book, but would be maintained by the
local pine god. Ideally, your implementation would allow for
cross-checking to avoid unwanted duplication. 

Since pine has already set a high networking standard by its
implementation of imap, I would love to see this carried through in the
form of your suggestion to use 'whois/x.500/etc'.

It would be nice to see the first addition to a upcoming release of pine
in the 'short term', but the fully networked version would be an exciting
addition in the long-term.

Ian.

On Wed, 10 Feb 1993, Terry Gray wrote:

> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 08:05:21 -0800 (PST)
> From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
> To: Ian Lumb <[email-masked]>
> Cc: PINE INFO <[email-masked]>
> Subject: Re: Global Address books
> 
> Ian and Mike,
> -teg
> On Wed, 10 Feb 1993, Ian Lumb wrote:
>

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From: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 08:05:21 -0800 (PST)

Ian and Mike,

-teg

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From: Mike Cote <[email-masked]>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 13:16:32 -0500 (EST)

Ian, Terry:

As we have both X.500 and whois here at UWO, this topic was one
of the first to come up when we decided to go with pine.

I've made some changes to our local pine in order to allow some interaction
with a generic directory server program (using whois as the default).  With
the work I've done so far you can invoke whois with ^W from either the
'ADDRESS BOOK' screen or the 'COMPOSE' screen (from the header fields
only).  A search key is prompted for and the results displayed as a
'HELP' screen (I cheated a bit here, but it works nicely).
I've also added a 'directory-access' entry to the .pinerc file, as we're
also working on a local version of whois.

The next step is to figure out a way to pull an address from the whois
lookup into the appropriate mail header field.  At this point the
interface is purely visual.

For the brave... A diff file containing the whois changes is available
on julian.uwo.ca as ~ftp/pub/unix/mail/pine-3.05/uwo-whois.diff.  All
changes are #ifdef'd with 'WHOIS'.   Suggestions are welcome.

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Computing and Communications Services
University of Western Ontario		    Phone: (519) 661-2151,  X 6048
London, Ontario Canada

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From: David Bradford <pail!cascorp!dbradfor>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 13:55:39 +0800 (PST)

> "TuIt" list, then I'd vote for divide and conquer.

Option 1 would be of significant value to our group as well. We are on the
verge of having a distinct need for a global address book. The sooner you
can get TuIt, the better :)

- Dave
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From: Ian Lumb <[email-masked]>
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 00:18:30 -0500

It sounds like you've made some significant additions Mike; perhaps you
should consider submitting them so that they can be included in a future
release of pine?

I will definitely give your diffs a try. 

Thanks for your helpful response,

Ian.

On Wed, 10 Feb 1993, Mike Cote wrote:

> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 13:16:32 -0500 (EST)
> From: Mike Cote <[email-masked]>
> To: Terry Gray <[email-masked]>
> Cc: Ian Lumb <[email-masked]>,
>      PINE INFO <[email-masked]>