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DISCID=7b093909
DTITLE=The Alan Parsons Project / Eve
DYEAR=1979
DGENRE=Rock
TTITLE0=Lucifer
TTITLE1=You Lie Down With Dogs
TTITLE2=I'd Rather Be A Man
TTITLE3=You Won't Be There
TTITLE4=Winding Me Up
TTITLE5=Damned If I Do
TTITLE6=Don't Hold Back
TTITLE7=Secret Garden
TTITLE8=If I Could Change Your Mind
EXTD=Originally Released September 1979\nCD Edition Released 1988\n\nA
EXTD=MG EXPERT REVIEW:  For the most part, 1979's Eve is somewhat over
EXTD=looked as being one of the Alan Parsons Project's finest work, wh
EXTD=en in fact it involves some of this group's most intricate songs.
EXTD= The album's concept deals with the female's overpowering effect 
EXTD=on man. Each song touches on her ability to dissect the male ego,
EXTD= especially through sexual means, originating with Eve's tempting
EXTD= Adam in the beginning of time. Not only does this idea gain stre
EXTD=ngth as the album progresses, but a musical battle of the sexes b
EXTD=egins to arise through each song. The gorgeous "You Won't Be Ther
EXTD=e" spotlights man's insecurity. Sung by Dave Townsend, its melodr
EXTD=amatic feel sets a perfect tone. The classically enhanced "Windin
EXTD=g Me Up" follows suit, based on a woman's ability to dominate her
EXTD= mate and opening up with sound of a wind-up doll being cranked. 
EXTD=Other gems include the bitter but forceful "Damned If I Do" sung 
EXTD=by Lenny Zakatek, and the dominating fury of "Lucifer," a powerfu
EXTD=l instrumental. Even the loutish "You Lie Down with Dogs" bears w
EXTD=it with its gender inclined mud-slinging. The female vocalists, L
EXTD=esley Duncan and Clare Torry do a splendid job of representing th
EXTD=e females point of view throughout the album. Not only does Eve s
EXTD=olidify its main idea, but the songs are highly entertaining with
EXTD= catchy rhythms and intelligent lyrics. Musically, the tempo appe
EXTD=alingly switches back and forth from slow to quick, as does the t
EXTD=emperament of the album. Somehow, Eve is dismissed as one of this
EXTD= band's greatest efforts, when in fact it's one of their finest m
EXTD=arriages of both concept and music. [The 2007 Sony BMG reissue in
EXTD=cluded bonus tracks.]  -- Mike DeGagne\n\n\nAMAZON.COM CUSTOMER R
EXTD=EVIEW\n"Blame it on the apple tree but you don't fool me", August
EXTD= 7, 2003 \nBy  mwreview "mwreview" (Northern California, USA)\n\n
EXTD=Eve is not a very uplifting album. As another reviewing wrote, it
EXTD= doesn't take you to another place like Pyramid or Eye in the Sky
EXTD=. For the most part, it's harsh reality. When I first saw the cov
EXTD=er, I thought the concept was prostitution. Inside the gatefold i
EXTD=s a menacing photo of Eric Woolfson and Alan Parsons standing at 
EXTD=the corners of an alley (they do not look like fellows I would wa
EXTD=nt to meet in an alley). Perhaps it is Adam getting his shots in 
EXTD=on that devious Eve. The most bitter track is "I'd Rather Be a Ma
EXTD=n" ("You don't fool me with your tinted eyes and make-up," "You s
EXTD=parkle like a snake," "I'd rather be a man than play my role like
EXTD= you do," "I'd rather be a man cause a man don't crawl like you d
EXTD=o"). Eve is one of my least favorite APP albums, but there are st
EXTD=ill some good tracks that make the record worthwhile. The two ins
EXTD=trumentals are excellent, although I do not like the "Dum Dee Dee
EXTD= Dum" stuff in the middle of "Secret Garden." "You Lie Down with 
EXTD=Dogs" is a good hard rocker. "I'd Rather Be a Man" is highlighted
EXTD= with some awesome synthesizers. "You Won't Be There" is a very n
EXTD=ice ballad. "Winding Me Up" is a cute little number (maybe a litt
EXTD=le too cute considering the lyrics); however, I read in the APP f
EXTD=anzine 'The Avenue' a few years back that this song was Alan Pars
EXTD=ons' least favorite. My least favorite APP song is on this album,
EXTD= but it is not this one. \n\nThe second half of the album is rath
EXTD=er weak. I admit, however, that I enjoy the single "Damned If I D
EXTD=o." I like to think I do not like that track, but I find myself h
EXTD=umming that song as much as, if not more than, "Eye in the Sky," 
EXTD="Time" and other more memorable APP tunes, so it must have taken 
EXTD=hold of me. Eve, appropriately, has the only APP tracks I know of
EXTD= with female vocalists. I am glad they are the only ones. "Don't 
EXTD=Hold Back" (sung by Clare Torry) is my vote for the worst APP son
EXTD=g. Other reviewers may enjoy the lyrics but, musically, I think i
EXTD=t is dreadful to the point of embarrassing. I am also not as craz
EXTD=y about "If I Could Change Your Mind" as most of the other review
EXTD=ers are. I do not find it memorable at all. I'll listen to it a f
EXTD=ew times and not remember how it goes after it ends. This track i
EXTD=s nowhere near the same level as "Eye in the Sky" and "Time." I a
EXTD=m no feminist, I just know what I like in music and, musically, E
EXTD=ve is a good album but is not even in the vicinity of the greatne
EXTD=ss of other Woolfson and Parsons "projects." If you are just begi
EXTD=nning your APP journey, I would start with Ammonia Avenue or Eye 
EXTD=in the Sky. Save Eve for when you are ready for something a littl
EXTD=e harsher. \n\n\nAMAZON.COM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nAs a feminist, I *di
EXTD=d* like this album, May 20, 2000 \nBy  cr0wgrrl (San Francisco, C
EXTD=A USA)\n\nI can see how some women who didn't listen too closely 
EXTD=to this would find themselves offended, but they're obviously not
EXTD= paying enough attention if they are. Yes, some of the songs are 
EXTD=negative towards women -- but come on, the album's titled *Eve*. 
EXTD=I always assumed it was from Adam's point of view, and given most
EXTD= versions of that story, I wouldn't expect anything less. Behind 
EXTD=all the negativity in some of the songs, there's a whole lot of h
EXTD=urt and injury -- just like in any breakup. It's not too hard to 
EXTD=tell that that's what's fueling the harsh words and vicious comme
EXTD=nts. And I know plenty of women who say the same sort of things a
EXTD=bout men. The fact that the emotions are real, not sanitized for 
EXTD=your viewing pleasure, is what makes this album work for me.\nI n
EXTD=ever thought the album was saying it applied to *all* women, just
EXTD= one (well, two) set of experiences with them. As a feminist, and
EXTD= moreover a humanist, I accept that you have to show the negative
EXTD= side to things as well as the positive.\n\nSo this is more negat
EXTD=ive than positive -- it's still a good album. \n\n\nAMAZON.COM CU
EXTD=STOMER REVIEW\nEVE, January 21, 2005 \nBy  TC "therealtc" (La)\nA
EXTD= very compelling album, and it is rather down on women. If you wi
EXTD=ll take a close look at the cover, you will find large bumps of h
EXTD=erpes/syphyllis(?) on the faces of the two women pictured. They a
EXTD=re hidden by the veils. Surely I'm not the only one who's noticed
EXTD=? Still a classic, though. \n\n\nAMAZON.COM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nMiss
EXTD=ing the point of the Concept, perhaps?, March 22, 2001 \nBy  Joel
EXTD= Maye (Amarillo, Texas USA)\nI won't go on too much about the ind
EXTD=ividual songs. 'Lucifer' is a risky, Middle-Eastern-tinted instru
EXTD=mental that works for me, but not for others. 'Damned if I Do' is
EXTD= a typically well-constructed APP song. 'You Lie Down with Dogs' 
EXTD=is an unusually hard rocker, but it works, too. With one exceptio
EXTD=n mentioned later, the rest run the gamut from good to throw-away
EXTD=. However, the concept was what hooked me. I've never thought of 
EXTD=this as a 'women-bashing' album. I have always seen it as critica
EXTD=l of women, or perhaps just of one woman by one man. But the fina
EXTD=l song, the beautiful ballad 'If I Could Change Your Mind' not on
EXTD=ly is one of APP's best, but also redeems the album's concept. Ma
EXTD=ybe she (they) wronged him (them), maybe not, but the fact that s
EXTD=he's asking for a second chance has always hooked me. I may get a
EXTD=ccused of being a woman-hater, which is patently not true, but th
EXTD=e overall concept of 7 woman-critical songs sung by men and the f
EXTD=inal one by a woman singing "come pretend it's not been easy sinc
EXTD=e you went away - oh, if only I could change your mind..." works.
EXTD= \n\n\nAMAZON.COM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nTo quote Alan Parson: "Basical
EXTD=ly, it's about women.", July 7, 1998 \nBy  David Rasey e-mail: ri
EXTD=der@mnsinc.com (Virginia, U.S.A.)\nThis album may not be one of t
EXTD=he Projects best albums, but it does break some new ground for th
EXTD=e band. It was the first album in which Alan Parsons employed fem
EXTD=ale lead vocalists (listen for the most excellent Kate Bush !), a
EXTD=nd started a new trend in his instrumentals. \n\nOne of the best 
EXTD=tracks on this album is "Lucifer", still today one of Parsons' be
EXTD=st instrumentals. In many of the instrumentals he does today, you
EXTD= can hear the legacy of this song. It is a tough, edgy, somehow h
EXTD=eroic song that puts one in mind of those nights when passion and
EXTD= anger between lovers makes a dangerous, ecstatic experience. The
EXTD= kind that will lead to a wedding or a divorce, and leaves you wo
EXTD=ndering later what ever possessed you to do either.\n\n"Damned If
EXTD= I Do" enjoyed limited commercial success it the early 80's, and 
EXTD=is some of the bands best synthesizer work from that time. It is 
EXTD=a song about being helplessly in love, hating the vulnerability a
EXTD=nd craving it at the same time. It calls to mind falling hard for
EXTD= someone you KNOW is going to be bad for you, and being unable to
EXTD= help yourself. Remember what THAT was like? Very sweet keyboard 
EXTD=work in this one, and the vocals have just the right mix of self-
EXTD=hate, self-deception ("...No, my friends are wrong, he/she isn't 
EXTD=REALLY like that, and besides, this is different, and it is not e
EXTD=ither just a crush..."), and naked yearning. Oh, man, the memorie
EXTD=s...\n\nFor a total change of pace, the song "If I Could Change Y
EXTD=our Mind" has some of the most gorgeous vocals on the entire albu
EXTD=m. It is a woman telling of her fantasies and hopes of recapturin
EXTD=g a lover who dumped her hard. Sweet, sentimental, and somewhat s
EXTD=cary, since after a few times listening, you begin to feel that h
EXTD=er quest is not only hopeless, but it would be better if she fail
EXTD=ed. Something in this one suggests a guy who isn't WORTH having b
EXTD=ack, and suggests that the woman doesn't see that she can do bett
EXTD=er. Ladies, this one is absolutely for you!\n\n"Don't Hold Back" 
EXTD=is THE first time. I'm sure you remember your FIRST LOVE, or your
EXTD= FIRST LOVER, and how intoxicating it was. This song will make yo
EXTD=u smile, remembering the late-into-the-night conversations that s
EXTD=eemed so deep then, the back seat bargaining sessions, the way yo
EXTD=u just sort of flung yourself headlong into it, full speed ahead 
EXTD=and the Devil take the hindmost! Heady.\n\nThere is one more that
EXTD= I must mention: the song called "I'd Rather Be A Man". This is, 
EXTD=simply stated, the ULTIMTE break-up song. 'Nuff said.\n\nThis was
EXTD= the album that got me started as an Alan Parsons fan, and it has
EXTD= worn well. As a whole, it has a kind of goofy energy that appear
EXTD=s only sporadically on other of the bands albums. You'll listen t
EXTD=o this one alot. \n\n\nAMAZON.COM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nNot one of his
EXTD= best, December 1, 2000 \nBy  kireviewer (Sunnyvale, Ca United St
EXTD=ates)\nNot every album deserves 5 stars. Giving high rankings to 
EXTD=everything by one artist dilutes the value of the 5 (or even 4) s
EXTD=tar rating. \nThis album is a little different than other Parsons
EXTD= albums. It is more song oriented and relies less on the spacy, d
EXTD=riving progressive instrumental interludes. It starts out strong,
EXTD= especially with You Lie Down With Dogs and I'd Rather Be a Man, 
EXTD=but gets weak in the middle. I find the one hit from this album (
EXTD=Damned If I Do) to be just annoying. But that is the way with mos
EXTD=t hits. They are usually the weakest material on the album. They 
EXTD=hummable and stick in your mind and appeal to the lowest common d
EXTD=enominator. Some of the other songs are bland and boring, like Do
EXTD=n't Hold Back. But the album ends strongly with If I Could Change
EXTD= Your Mind.\n\nThis is Parson's fourth album. It isn't bad, it ju
EXTD=st isn't as good as the first two (Tales of Mystery and Imaginati
EXTD=on and I Robot) or the sixth (Eye in the Sky). It is certainly be
EXTD=tter than the lame concept album about gambing (Turn of a Friendl
EXTD=y Card).\n\nParsons was a studio engineer who worked on the Beatl
EXTD=es' Abbey Road and Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. He "formed
EXTD=" the Alan Parsons Project which is basically material written by
EXTD= Parsons and Eric Woolfson and performed mostly by studio musicia
EXTD=ns. Parsons is the concept album king. Each album revolves around
EXTD= some concept. Sometimes it works and sometimes if fails miserabl
EXTD=y. This album has a looser concept than most. All the songs are a
EXTD=bout women, but nothing deeper than that. Some have misinterprete
EXTD=d this as being degrading to women, but it is actually a fairly p
EXTD=ositive album. It is just that most of the songs are not very str
EXTD=ong, and the music isn't good enough to compensate for it. \n\n\n
EXTD=AMAZON.COM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nLong time APP fan, July 22, 1999 \nBy
EXTD= A Customer\nAm I the only one who noticed that the intro to the 
EXTD=Lucifer track made use of morse code letters to spell out e-v-e? 
EXTD=( . ...- . ) \n\nLittle things like that are part of what I reall
EXTD=y enjoy about APP albums. They're all a must have. \n\n\nAMAZON.C
EXTD=OM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nMediocre .... at best., October 9, 2003 \nBy 
EXTD= Robin McCabe "Mr.LateNite" (Richmond Hill, Ontario Canada)\nAs a
EXTD=n avid APP fan, I was rather disappointed with the quality of thi
EXTD=s album. The lyrics fit very well in the theme of the album but t
EXTD=he music sounds extremely amateurish. I know at the time that AP 
EXTD=had a contract with Arista records to release three albums in a s
EXTD=hort period of time...and that there was another album "Sicilian 
EXTD=Defense" that was so bad that Arista kept it in their vaults and 
EXTD=vowed never to release it...and true to their word, that's exactl
EXTD=y what they did. Eve was one of those three quick albums, Pyramid
EXTD= and Turn of a Friendly Card,which were fabulous albums, were the
EXTD= other two. Eve was rushed, the musicianship very amateurish and 
EXTD=overall the album left this APP fan very unimpressed.\n\nLucifer 
EXTD=was a great instrumental....but outside of that and If I Could Ch
EXTD=ange Your Mind, the music here is not of great quality. If I were
EXTD= to introduce someone to APP, I would not play this album...in fa
EXTD=ct, this would be the LAST album I would allow them to hear. \n\n
EXTD=\nAMAZON.COM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nHmmm. This is hard..., January 14, 
EXTD=1999 \nBy A Customer\nIf you are new to Alan Parson, I recommend 
EXTD=trying Turn of a Friendly Card first. Otherwise take a deep breat
EXTD=h. \n\nLook, a lot of people rag on this album, and I'm not sure 
EXTD=why. No, it's not 5 star material. However, "If I could Change Yo
EXTD=ur Mind" is one of APP BEST SONGS EVER. If for no other reason th
EXTD=an that one song, the rest should be given a fair listen to.\n\nN
EXTD=o, it's not the best APP album - not by a long shot. But part of 
EXTD=the Project's charm was in being experimental, challenging themse
EXTD=lves, and trying different styles and concepts out. After all, ho
EXTD=w successful can two men be at describing women!!??! :)\n\nIt is 
EXTD=in some ways degrading, amusing, sad, and whimsical. It is not co
EXTD=nsistant. It is what the nature of the Project was at the time. I
EXTD= remember three out of three girlfriends I had been with absolute
EXTD=ly HATED this album! Probably the "I'd Rather be a Man" song evok
EXTD=ed the greatest outrage in them. That line about "..your hide is 
EXTD=slack" about teared it.\n\nTruthfully, I laughed at that line the
EXTD= first time I heard it. No man would ever tell his wife / girlfri
EXTD=end these sorts of things unless he wanted to END a relationship.
EXTD= Women are bombarded with images as to how they should look. This
EXTD= song tries to tear that fluff away, "Try it on the company, but 
EXTD=you don't fool me". Surely not! Lovers aren't fooled, they KNOW b
EXTD=etter.\n\nShould it make women angry? You bet it should! They sho
EXTD=uld be angry at letting themselves be so objectified.\n\nTaking t
EXTD=hat one song seriously is probably one of the worst assumptions s
EXTD=omeone can make about this CD. If you can listen to these songs o
EXTD=bjectively, you'll get a lot more out of this album than you migh
EXTD=t have thought. \n\n\nAMAZON.COM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nWorst Album by 
EXTD=Alan Parsons/APP; emoionally void, August 23, 1998 \nBy  Sebastia
EXTD=n Dammann (Dammann@anglistik.uni-kiel.de) (Kiel, Germany)\nFirst 
EXTD=things first: I'm sort of a die-hard APP fan, but knowing all of 
EXTD=their albums, I can only say that this is their worst one. Grante
EXTD=d: 'Basically, it's about women' (Alan ParsonS), and the songs' l
EXTD=yrics may bring back memories in us all about relationships, love
EXTD=, sex etc. Be that as it may, but what about the music ?!? Let's 
EXTD=see...\n'Lucifer' is technically a very good track, which is know
EXTD=n to quite a number of people. But emotionally, this song is cold
EXTD=. In my eyes it fails to express feelings and emotions. Any good 
EXTD=song should do that,whatever these feelings and emotions might be
EXTD= (sadness, excitement, grief, love, hope etc., to name but a few)
EXTD=. But nothing of this is expressed in this track. It is merely a 
EXTD=..well.. nice piece of music which might serve as an example of A
EXTD=lan Parsons' abilities as a producer, but beyond that it might on
EXTD=ly be used as the theme song for some political TV-show (which, c
EXTD=oincidentally, it was).\n\nThis lack of emotions is the main prob
EXTD=lem of the whole album which appears to have been only published 
EXTD=for commercial reasons, especially 'Don't hold back'. There are b
EXTD=ut few exceptions:\n\n'You won't be there' is again a very nice t
EXTD=rack, but it has a fine melody. \n\n'Winding me up' (vocalist Chr
EXTD=is Rainbow's first appearance on an APP album) partly has a 'baro
EXTD=que-like' feel to it and is cleverly arranged, combining classica
EXTD=l elements with progressive rock.\n\nAnd, of course, 'If I could 
EXTD=change your mind.' Singer Lesley Duncan here gives us simply the 
EXTD=best vocal performance of the whole album.\n\nWrapping up: 3 acce
EXTD=ptable out of 9 tracks is a bit weak for someone used to the qual
EXTD=ities of Parsons/Woolfson. After the first 3 albums, which were g
EXTD=reat, this album could't match APP's high standard at all. Lucky 
EXTD=for us all, APP never again released an album of such a low quali
EXTD=ty. (Excepting perhaps 'Stereotomy', which ist't great either, bu
EXTD=t still slightly ahead of this one.) Once you have come across an
EXTD=y of the other APP/AP albums, you won't listen to this one a lot.
EXTD= \n\n\nAMAZON.COM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nBlech, June 20, 2007 \nBy  Jim
EXTD= Beam\nEasily the worst album Alan Parsons Project ever released.
EXTD= Lots of synths and drum machines make this album dull and lifele
EXTD=ss. The best thing about it is the cover art. The album's concept
EXTD= is how women have caused the downfall of mankind (based on the G
EXTD=arden of Eden parable). If you look closely, you'll see huge wart
EXTD=s and lesions on the women's faces. The music inside the jacket i
EXTD=s totally disposable. A HUGE disappointment after three great APP
EXTD= releases. \n\n\nAMAZON.COM CUSTOMER REVIEW\nFall in Eden, July 8
EXTD=, 2004 \nBy  St. Magellan "Charles Van de Kree" (Albuquerque, NM 
EXTD=United States)\nAn absolutely dreadful album, Eve is certainly an
EXTD= apt title--you'll feel as if you've been deceived after listenin
EXTD=g to this hodgepodge of early 80s FM-ready radio rock. Easily Par
EXTD=sons' worst album, there's really only one listenable song on the
EXTD= entire record. Stick with the far superior APP albums of the lat
EXTD=e 70s, I Robot, Pyramid, as well as their terrific mid-80s return
EXTD= to art-space rock, Eye in the Sky. It's too bad Eve can't be mel
EXTD=ted down--it deserves no less a fate. \n\n\nHalf.com Details \nPr
EXTD=oducer: Alan Parsons \n\nAlbum Notes\nThe Alan Parsons Project: A
EXTD=lan Parsons, Dave Townsend, Chris Rainbow, Lenny Zakatek, Clare T
EXTD=orry, Lesley Duncan, David Paton (vocals); Ian Bairnson (guitar);
EXTD= Eric Woolfson, Duncan Mackay (keyboards); David Paton (bass); St
EXTD=uart Elliot (drums, percussion); Chris Rainbow, David Paton and T
EXTD=he Orchestra of the Munich Chamber Opera (background vocals).\n\n
EXTD=The fourth album by the Alan Parsons Project jettisoned the prog-
EXTD=rock weightiness of the band's earlier concept records in favor o
EXTD=f a more subtle song-cycle about woman-as-temptress. In the hands
EXTD= of a misanthrope like Pink Floyd's Roger Waters, this theme woul
EXTD=d most likely cause great feminist offense, but keyboardist Eric 
EXTD=Woolfson's lyrics wisely take a different tack. On "You Lie Down 
EXTD=with Dogs" and "Damned If I Do," Woolfson's words repeatedly hamm
EXTD=er home the point that women wouldn't hold such power over men if
EXTD= men didn't want it that way.\n\nIn addition to Parsons, vocalist
EXTD=s include Lenny Zakatek and Dave Townshend, and, providing the fe
EXTD=male perspective, Clare Torry and Lesley Duncan, whom Parsons had
EXTD= first worked with on THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON. Musically, 1979'
EXTD=s EVE continues the trend towards slicker and more commercial pop
EXTD= tunes that had begun on the previous year's PYRAMID, an approach
EXTD= that would flower into even greater commercial fruit with THE TU
EXTD=RN OF A FRIENDLY CARD.\n\n\nROLLING STONE REVIEW\nThe year's sill
EXTD=iest record by a best-selling act, Eve purports to be a song cycl
EXTD=e evoking Woman, yet the portrait thrown up by this 3-D space-roc
EXTD=k oratorio is of some whory Victorian witch in a leather headdres
EXTD=s flicking her garter belt and hissing curses. "I'd rather be a m
EXTD=an than sin my soul like you do," announces David Paton, playing 
EXTD=one of the LP's four male accusers. "You lie down with dogs, you 
EXTD=get up with fleas," spits another. That about sums up Eve's sexua
EXTD=l politics. When it's finally Woman's turn to reply -- Woman gets
EXTD= only two cuts to Man's four -- she's made to whine about being l
EXTD=onely.\n\nOn last year's witty I Robot, the Alan Parsons Project'
EXTD=s bombastic and synthesized orchestral pop rock proved to be a ni
EXTD=fty idiom for exploring man-machine myths. But the more human the
EXTD= theme, the more inappropriate such a style becomes. And how much
EXTD= more human can you get than a concept album concerned with sex? 
EXTD=Though Eve offers plenty of sonic grandeur--the forceful melody o
EXTD=f "Damned if I Do," the Beach Boys-like vocal harmonies in "Secre
EXTD=t Garden" -- the lyrics are almost clumsy and sententious enough 
EXTD=to give sex a bad name.\n\nEve will make a good demo record for a
EXTD=udio equipment. (RS 306 -- Dec 13, 1979)  -- \nSTEPHEN HOLDEN
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